Comments on "failed" Ediedi and his "protector" Yuma
thank Gianni and Alessandro for their comments, which I reproduce below.
These comments are useful to understand the mentality 'of the clique, a group that is hurting (with its abuses and strapoteri block) the Italian Wikipedia.
Alexander writes:
Dear Professor, you are
Wikipedia Alezangrilli. I saw that my disagreement with Ediedi has gone beyond the boundaries of the Commons for his land in this area. I was pleased to find that understanding here that I was denied in the Commons and read so many testimonies that I have confirmed the views that I had made about the caliber of the character in question.
I also had the opportunity to read his report on the existence of the clique of "Wikipedia Italy. If I understood his thinking, the problem is therefore not wikipedia, but the way this is handled in Italy: Administrators would have betrayed the original mandate to become a clique (the clique!) More interested in their own self-reproduction , to the perpetuation of its "power" that the proper functioning of the project. If so, there would be little surprise. This is a common fate (though not inevitable) of many human organizations, explained, discussed, analyzed, and repeated in hundreds of studies by sociologists and anthropologists. Orwell's Animal Farm it is a good literary metaphor.
Reflecting on this phenomenon, Alberoni, developed the concepts of "Business as nascent" and the dialectic "Movement / Creation" which then applied to each aggregate human political and religious movements from the artistic avant-garde, from charities to the pairs in love. The enthusiasm of the beginning, the creative disorder, the unpredictability, the spontaneous solidarity links soon gave way to bureaucratic standardization, order, procedural formalism. Wikipedia
can avoid this fate? Or maybe it is inherently immune? We are still in the "Status emerging" in which each new user is welcome and encouraged each contribution in an atmosphere of enthusiastic co-operation? Or is it time already sad bureaucrats, policemen and apparatchik? I do not pretend to answer these questions, but I am grateful to this space that allows me, at least, to ask them.
Wikipedia is a project I believe in and to which I continue to contribute. In my only course of action at the bar had called him as the Agora, an open and democratic, as opposed to the closed and elitist world of the Academy. Not to repeat that statement today. It is not the attitude of Ediedi to hit me, as the complacent silence in which he moved and continue to move.
Ediedi is an awkward character. A quick survey of his contributions to do with how much distrust and suspicion with the cautious live every contribution to "their" voices (especially by new users). But this is not my problem, if anything, his (and big).
its consequences requests for help, rescue comes the diligent administrator contacted (the tone reminiscent 'the phrase "Black, go get it!" Said throwing a piece of wood or stone on a lawn). But again, this is not my problem, if anything, they (and large).
'requests for help, as they are made, reaching heights of unintentional comedy (... if someone does not understand that doing this is not good, I fear it will damage around, since it is moving quickly to wherever. For luck still has not done as well as those I have repaired, but the reasoning which I have reason to fear Hello .... Ediedi 12:51, 26 February 2006 (CET))
Then comes the invitation to the general harmony and the spirit constructive and the unfortunate "neophyte", who in the meantime we have seen mocked and insulted in the pages of the different directors, all that remains is to try to explain his reasons. Nothing to do: the fights are done in two, you have to go agree on their own, the next you will be reported as problematic, good volume status, bla bla bla ...
At this point the "neophyte" (definition of Ediedi) does not remain only two choices: pack up and leave forever Wikipedia or give vent to anger and channel it accumulated in a loud insult, incurring the inevitable block. And on the next ...
Ediedi The list of victims is impressive, a real serial-killer: Fireblues, Luimeri, Now, Dans (limited to one), people from Romania and Moldova ... To all of them I express my sympathy.
Anyone who has had the patience to read this far, I express my doubts: How was this possible? Because no it never stopped? Why was it allowed that his attitude might depart so many good potential employees? I have made these questions in the Commons without getting any response. It enjoys special protection? Companions of snacks? Mah ..
Alezangrilli
PS Dear Professor, of course I have the courage of my ideas and I do not like hiding. It can therefore be published without problems, if it deems it appropriate, my post as well as my name. If I will ever be called to account on Wikipedia, I assume the paternity without problems. Sincerely
Alessandro Zangrilli
Gianni writes: Dear Professor
Mary, who is a military Ediedi "Failed" as well-seems to have failed in other previous work and seems to have kept his wife used the Italian Embassy in Budapest is known by many who treat him in the Italian wiki. Better stay away from a guy like this: I do and this advice also Alezangrilli. Gianni
Of course I also thank all those who have sent me feedback (often of solidarity ') in recent months. Prof. Maria Rubino
Friday, September 28, 2007
Sunday, September 23, 2007
Sorority Initiation Ceremonies Example
The crack is not a butt 2 = Senators
seems that some Ediedi (the "dear protected" incompetent admin Yuma) is the subject of much criticism and comments in the Italian Wiki. And I 'came to transcribe this message: ".... Hello
Prof. Maria Rubino! Although I enjoy to review the discussions among some Wikipedians tired of injustice and the clique or their proteges. Among the latter, what I enjoyed most and between straprotetto Ediedi and Alezangrilli. There the signals here (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Balaton) and especially here (# http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ediedi Carissimo_Ediedi ...), but starts from farther (# http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Zingari Didascalie_delle_immagini). If you have just as enjoyable, please let us know. Hello Professor! Always on the ball! (FM
)..." If you want a fun can 'go to the pages listed, but I want to explain in full here (since' there is my name) and that means' http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ediedi # Carissimo_Ediedi ..:
-------------- "... My dear ... Ediedi
On 23 March 2007, on the discussion page of your friend Legacy, appeared in elegant prose and flowery vocabulary, this announcement, in which the user Luimeri took leave from wikipedia:
"... I see you are in communication with a half Hungarian Ediedi "which seems to resent almost to death with Bruno because he's" touched "her with his tongue Hungary Pannonian (there are Romanians who did" lock "because they are too nationalistic against them!). Statte accuorto: chill nu is stinking ... I think it Ediedi who incited against Bruno Yuma and then against us (me and Mary) her friends. Mo 'stamm to legal disputes and Yuma will pay the consequences instead of the smart Ediedi. I do not want more trouble and I retire for ever from Wikipedia. Paisan, do not get drawn into fighting-even legally-instead of Ediedi: not to end the fool ... "
On July 7, 2007 Dans renounced forever the user to collaborate on gypsies voice in writing his user page:
"... I've had enough of Ediedi. If you look at the section Gypsies and co. his personal property, if taken as well. I made my proposal, if you or any other person of good will want to consider it and use it, I'll be happy, but I do not intend to return the arena of discussion on this topic. I am following other projects that are dearest to me and where I find senseless obstacles. "
Two people then leave, give up the whole project or even to collaborate with one voice after the challenges with you. Why? (Question legitimized). Is there something wrong in how you relate to others? "I believe that your intolerance, dogmatism and dull your belief that you have always, however, reason to pollute any contact with others .
Look at the plethora of warnings that you put the following items: a name never heard a word that sounds bad ... et voila: Warning, enciclopedicità questionable, inappropriate title, to be verified ... and how pomposity, never a doubt never a hesitation ...
Watch the Balkan linguistic union voice is an expression that you played an unusual and bizarre (when it is established academic use for decades) ... maybe you've had the scruples to check, I know, maybe a little search on google ? But no, warning: furrowed brow, and frown professorial finger raised, to verify the validity of the Italian title as the heading, since it is not a "league", as is clear from the item itself. And 'that's your tragedy, unfortunately. Instead of getting your hands dirty in the verification and writing entries, you smile like "au dessus de la apples, place Alerts feel surpassed the other poor people who then give up. Leave. TKO. I will not be the case, stay for sure. Without an examination of conscience. Hello - Alezangrilli 14:33, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
PS: Did I avoid the usual effort to report everything to the fact Retaggio.Già ......"
---------- ----
Evidently Alezangrilli Ediedi judges badly, especially when he writes "... Two people then leave, give up the whole project or even to collaborate with one voice after the challenges with you. Why? (Question legitimize). Perhaps there is something wrong in how you relate to others? I believe that your intolerance, dogmatism, and your belief that the dull you've always reason still pollute any contact with other people ... "
Ediedi Unfortunately this is" protected "from Yuma and other criccaroli and continues to damage the Italian Wikipedia away (Dull with his conviction that he has ALWAYS REASON) users who would otherwise be valuable collaborators.
And then there are criccaroli who wonder at the Bar because 'the Dutch have four cats Wiki risuperato the Italian Wiki: for strength, the crack away from a party who is not' acceptable and many other people (and not criccaroli) waste their time discussing (on the control of the admin and more) with mile-written at the Bar or elsewhere, instead of creating new entries!
Prof.Maria Ruby
seems that some Ediedi (the "dear protected" incompetent admin Yuma) is the subject of much criticism and comments in the Italian Wiki. And I 'came to transcribe this message: ".... Hello
Prof. Maria Rubino! Although I enjoy to review the discussions among some Wikipedians tired of injustice and the clique or their proteges. Among the latter, what I enjoyed most and between straprotetto Ediedi and Alezangrilli. There the signals here (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Balaton) and especially here (# http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ediedi Carissimo_Ediedi ...), but starts from farther (# http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Zingari Didascalie_delle_immagini). If you have just as enjoyable, please let us know. Hello Professor! Always on the ball! (FM
)..." If you want a fun can 'go to the pages listed, but I want to explain in full here (since' there is my name) and that means' http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_utente:Ediedi # Carissimo_Ediedi ..:
-------------- "... My dear ... Ediedi
On 23 March 2007, on the discussion page of your friend Legacy, appeared in elegant prose and flowery vocabulary, this announcement, in which the user Luimeri took leave from wikipedia:
"... I see you are in communication with a half Hungarian Ediedi "which seems to resent almost to death with Bruno because he's" touched "her with his tongue Hungary Pannonian (there are Romanians who did" lock "because they are too nationalistic against them!). Statte accuorto: chill nu is stinking ... I think it Ediedi who incited against Bruno Yuma and then against us (me and Mary) her friends. Mo 'stamm to legal disputes and Yuma will pay the consequences instead of the smart Ediedi. I do not want more trouble and I retire for ever from Wikipedia. Paisan, do not get drawn into fighting-even legally-instead of Ediedi: not to end the fool ... "
On July 7, 2007 Dans renounced forever the user to collaborate on gypsies voice in writing his user page:
"... I've had enough of Ediedi. If you look at the section Gypsies and co. his personal property, if taken as well. I made my proposal, if you or any other person of good will want to consider it and use it, I'll be happy, but I do not intend to return the arena of discussion on this topic. I am following other projects that are dearest to me and where I find senseless obstacles. "
Two people then leave, give up the whole project or even to collaborate with one voice after the challenges with you. Why? (Question legitimized). Is there something wrong in how you relate to others? "I believe that your intolerance, dogmatism and dull your belief that you have always, however, reason to pollute any contact with others .
Look at the plethora of warnings that you put the following items: a name never heard a word that sounds bad ... et voila: Warning, enciclopedicità questionable, inappropriate title, to be verified ... and how pomposity, never a doubt never a hesitation ...
Watch the Balkan linguistic union voice is an expression that you played an unusual and bizarre (when it is established academic use for decades) ... maybe you've had the scruples to check, I know, maybe a little search on google ? But no, warning: furrowed brow, and frown professorial finger raised, to verify the validity of the Italian title as the heading, since it is not a "league", as is clear from the item itself. And 'that's your tragedy, unfortunately. Instead of getting your hands dirty in the verification and writing entries, you smile like "au dessus de la apples, place Alerts feel surpassed the other poor people who then give up. Leave. TKO. I will not be the case, stay for sure. Without an examination of conscience. Hello - Alezangrilli 14:33, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
PS: Did I avoid the usual effort to report everything to the fact Retaggio.Già ......"
---------- ----
Evidently Alezangrilli Ediedi judges badly, especially when he writes "... Two people then leave, give up the whole project or even to collaborate with one voice after the challenges with you. Why? (Question legitimize). Perhaps there is something wrong in how you relate to others? I believe that your intolerance, dogmatism, and your belief that the dull you've always reason still pollute any contact with other people ... "
Ediedi Unfortunately this is" protected "from Yuma and other criccaroli and continues to damage the Italian Wikipedia away (Dull with his conviction that he has ALWAYS REASON) users who would otherwise be valuable collaborators.
And then there are criccaroli who wonder at the Bar because 'the Dutch have four cats Wiki risuperato the Italian Wiki: for strength, the crack away from a party who is not' acceptable and many other people (and not criccaroli) waste their time discussing (on the control of the admin and more) with mile-written at the Bar or elsewhere, instead of creating new entries!
Prof.Maria Ruby
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Saturday, September 8, 2007
2wire Blaster Warning
Constables of Citizendium Wikipedians
But the "Constables" of Citizendium are not exactly the "Senators Wikipedians" (graduates and more than 25 years of age ') that I am promoting for several months with letters and posts to Jimbo?
is what appears today in Corriere della Sera about the "Constables" of Citizendium:
... Submitted by Larry Sanger, a founder of 'Wiki', Citizendium (the challenge of 'credible' in Wikipedia) is a version corrected and improved collective encyclopedia, because the information is sifted by a team of experts.
name is the latest challenge to Citizendium Citizendium. Introduced last year by the Larry Sanger that "Wiki" was one of the founders intended Citizendium (born from a combination of the words "Citizens' compendium of everything 'or' the epitome of the citizen") would be a revised, corrected and improved collective encyclopedia because the information entered by users (which, as per Wikipedia, they can begin or continue a number of articles) pass the scrutiny of a team of experts, identified by name, who will decide what to put online, what matters in depth or that piece ball. Another important novelty compared to the parent, each 'contributor' will have to supply personal information and do not hide behind fancy names or aliases: a device intended to avoid blunders and gross inaccuracies that are often appeared in recent years, casting shadows and suspicions about the most popular Web encyclopedia.
a credible system - Clamorous was the case of John Seigenthaler, editor of USA Today, which was discovered in 2005 in its article on Wikipedia that someone had linked the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Of course, opened fire and flames, branding "Wiki" as a "shelter volunteer vandals' reputations of others. "Wikipedia has done great things - Sanger said the Times - but it is time for something new is born. Sometimes, information published online encyclopedia are not very precise. Engaging expert editors, eliminating anonymous contribution and launching a community of users more mature and aware, you can, instead, to create an open system but at the same time, credible. " In short, the quality versus quantity. Initially, the Citizendium pilot project is by invitation only and will move along the lines of Wikipedia. "The contributors can post their articles - a spokesman said - the final goal will be to improve or replace all Wikipedia content."
I 'Constables' - In addition to editors and authors (all, as mentioned, recognizable) was also introduced a third category of employees: they are 'constables' (the' constables of Citizendium) and to be allowed in the group must be a graduate and have over 25 years. These experts will, set a super set of rules for 'contributors', thereby preventing the interaction with the encyclopedia for those who take on behaviors considered inappropriate to the spirit of the initiative. Among the "constables" in the figure Gareth Leng, Professor of Experimental Physiology at the University of Edinburgh, who, always at the Times, explained why he agreed to participate in the project: "We need scientists to explain clearly and objectively to public what science can or can not do. Citizendium And our role is not to tell readers what opinions should have, but to give them the tools to decide for themselves. "
Simona Marchetti, September 8, 2007 ......"
Here it turns out that I make the order with Graham Bell Antonio Meucci in the invention of the telephone .....( joke of course!). Prof. Maria Rubino
But the "Constables" of Citizendium are not exactly the "Senators Wikipedians" (graduates and more than 25 years of age ') that I am promoting for several months with letters and posts to Jimbo?
is what appears today in Corriere della Sera about the "Constables" of Citizendium:
... Submitted by Larry Sanger, a founder of 'Wiki', Citizendium (the challenge of 'credible' in Wikipedia) is a version corrected and improved collective encyclopedia, because the information is sifted by a team of experts.
name is the latest challenge to Citizendium Citizendium. Introduced last year by the Larry Sanger that "Wiki" was one of the founders intended Citizendium (born from a combination of the words "Citizens' compendium of everything 'or' the epitome of the citizen") would be a revised, corrected and improved collective encyclopedia because the information entered by users (which, as per Wikipedia, they can begin or continue a number of articles) pass the scrutiny of a team of experts, identified by name, who will decide what to put online, what matters in depth or that piece ball. Another important novelty compared to the parent, each 'contributor' will have to supply personal information and do not hide behind fancy names or aliases: a device intended to avoid blunders and gross inaccuracies that are often appeared in recent years, casting shadows and suspicions about the most popular Web encyclopedia.
a credible system - Clamorous was the case of John Seigenthaler, editor of USA Today, which was discovered in 2005 in its article on Wikipedia that someone had linked the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Of course, opened fire and flames, branding "Wiki" as a "shelter volunteer vandals' reputations of others. "Wikipedia has done great things - Sanger said the Times - but it is time for something new is born. Sometimes, information published online encyclopedia are not very precise. Engaging expert editors, eliminating anonymous contribution and launching a community of users more mature and aware, you can, instead, to create an open system but at the same time, credible. " In short, the quality versus quantity. Initially, the Citizendium pilot project is by invitation only and will move along the lines of Wikipedia. "The contributors can post their articles - a spokesman said - the final goal will be to improve or replace all Wikipedia content."
I 'Constables' - In addition to editors and authors (all, as mentioned, recognizable) was also introduced a third category of employees: they are 'constables' (the' constables of Citizendium) and to be allowed in the group must be a graduate and have over 25 years. These experts will, set a super set of rules for 'contributors', thereby preventing the interaction with the encyclopedia for those who take on behaviors considered inappropriate to the spirit of the initiative. Among the "constables" in the figure Gareth Leng, Professor of Experimental Physiology at the University of Edinburgh, who, always at the Times, explained why he agreed to participate in the project: "We need scientists to explain clearly and objectively to public what science can or can not do. Citizendium And our role is not to tell readers what opinions should have, but to give them the tools to decide for themselves. "
Simona Marchetti, September 8, 2007 ......"
Here it turns out that I make the order with Graham Bell Antonio Meucci in the invention of the telephone .....( joke of course!). Prof. Maria Rubino
Thursday, September 6, 2007
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The crack is not worth a CICCA
Bella's quip that "The Father of Frieda" The crack is not worth a CICC.
reprint it as the title, 'cause I really like and is' indicative of what is happening in recent weeks (or months: ) in the Italian Wikipedia.
fact, hardly a day passes without the BAR there is any conflict between wikipedians connected to the clique and users banned wrong (as between JollyRogers and Stefano Mencarelli). In many cases where the topics are touched Criccaroli trying to cover up everything with miles writings, as multiple users on the IP or the control of administrators. But what is most striking '(and if they could make a small book!) Are receiving some heated messages Criccaroli "very bad" by users with blocked or canceled abused and / or otherwise. It carried a single, emblematic enough to 'cause these are not worth a quid Criccaroli:
TRIXT SHAME!
Trixt, I say this with all my heart: YOU ARE A GREAT dickhead .. A! You have to feel ashamed because your only weapon is to block users could meet and conduct their business: shame stuffed shirts' who you are! I repeat the 'invitation to the most respected directors and more serious, but you can expect to know what to block this and other dickhead .. more commonly known as "stewards" infinitely? This allows you to stop me as infinitely? But for what? Now I know who it is that I deleted the photos, I changed those parts of the text, who I even canceled the protests in the pages of discussion. They are scum like you that make this portal unlivable and undemocratic, but free encyclopedia! Directors true, if you are there, if you live, if I were listening to, blocking this idiot before it is too late. Greetings to administrators and real respectable Trixt to say just one thing, as did the great Totò: PRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STA is now stuck .. A MINC CUNNUTU TO YOU AND PATTRE! 'S user siracusa
Well, I do not know whether to laugh or cry about what you have written Syracuse. However, I really like his line: "I am scum like you that make this portal unlivable and undemocratic, but free encyclopedia!"
This
Trixt and 'What a Criccarolo ......... and that is clearly not a butt!
Prof. Maria Rubino
Bella's quip that "The Father of Frieda" The crack is not worth a CICC.
reprint it as the title, 'cause I really like and is' indicative of what is happening in recent weeks (or months: ) in the Italian Wikipedia.
fact, hardly a day passes without the BAR there is any conflict between wikipedians connected to the clique and users banned wrong (as between JollyRogers and Stefano Mencarelli). In many cases where the topics are touched Criccaroli trying to cover up everything with miles writings, as multiple users on the IP or the control of administrators. But what is most striking '(and if they could make a small book!) Are receiving some heated messages Criccaroli "very bad" by users with blocked or canceled abused and / or otherwise. It carried a single, emblematic enough to 'cause these are not worth a quid Criccaroli:
TRIXT SHAME!
Trixt, I say this with all my heart: YOU ARE A GREAT dickhead .. A! You have to feel ashamed because your only weapon is to block users could meet and conduct their business: shame stuffed shirts' who you are! I repeat the 'invitation to the most respected directors and more serious, but you can expect to know what to block this and other dickhead .. more commonly known as "stewards" infinitely? This allows you to stop me as infinitely? But for what? Now I know who it is that I deleted the photos, I changed those parts of the text, who I even canceled the protests in the pages of discussion. They are scum like you that make this portal unlivable and undemocratic, but free encyclopedia! Directors true, if you are there, if you live, if I were listening to, blocking this idiot before it is too late. Greetings to administrators and real respectable Trixt to say just one thing, as did the great Totò: PRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STA is now stuck .. A MINC CUNNUTU TO YOU AND PATTRE! 'S user siracusa
Well, I do not know whether to laugh or cry about what you have written Syracuse. However, I really like his line: "I am scum like you that make this portal unlivable and undemocratic, but free encyclopedia!"
This
Trixt and 'What a Criccarolo ......... and that is clearly not a butt!
Prof. Maria Rubino
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